On occasion I will debate with athiests, agnostics, evolutionists, and others. In one conversation, an atheist asked for proof that God exists. I asked Him to prove that God does not exist. Then I asked for proof of macroevolution, he responded with three letters (ERVs).
Here was my response.
So I can’t “prove” God exists to you. You can’t “prove” God doesn’t exist to me. So we’ll just have to see what happens.
I do believe there is plenty of proof that God does exist. The Resurrection is the most important. Jesus died on the cross. The disciples knew that and they were terrified that the Romans were going to hunt them down too.
Then something so powerful happened that these men began going around saying that Jesus rose from the dead, and that we can be saved through Him from God’s wrath. Then they all went on to be killed in the most horrible of ways for proclaiming these things about Jesus. These men knew Jesus died on the cross. I don’t believe they would allow themselves to be tortured and die for a lie.
Some might say the 9/11 highjackers believed they died for the truth. There is a huge differences. The disciples saw, heard, and experienced everything about Jesus first hand. They were witnesses. So when they died for what they knew to be the truth, it was truth they saw for themselves.
As to ERVs, I have not studied them enough to make an intelligent, informed concrete determination on the true relevance if they prove macroevolution or not at this point. That is something I will have to research further.
I doubt its actual “proof” for macroevolution. Just because ERVs exist in other animal’s DNA, doesn’t prove anything. We all live in the same enviroment. The same ERVs that invaded the human body might have simply invaded other animal bodies too.
“The chances of even one ERV landing in the same spot in our genomes (if we weren’t related) is .00000000016% (since our genome is about 3 billion base pairs long). Think of the likelihood that over 60 ERVs would land in the exact same spots.” Article*
First, I would have to take a scientist’s word that 60 ERVs are in the same exact spots. With all the corruption, lies, and frauds in the science community, I’ve lost my trust in the supposed “scientists” who are nothing but closed minded, arrogant, biased human beings who always make mistakes.
Second, yes, that is a small number, but it isn’t impossible for them to land in the same spot on their own (without us being related). We still do not understand viruses completely. Maybe they are programmed to seek out and land in those exact spots.
I can easily believe that interpretation when I compare it to what evolutionists take on faith about the development of the universe. The chances of the universe developing out of nothing, a little planet developing in this exact spot in the universe in such a way that life forms are so small that the little number there about ERVs is like me trying to avoid paying taxes in comparison.
–End of Conversation–
On a side note, in the midst of our discussion someone attempted to infer that I was just stupid and that was the reason I believed in God. My response was, “Inferring a person is stupid doesn’t give you an automatic win. It just shows you have to resort to ad hominem attacks. Its like shooting a nerf gun at a tank.”
* This article has some very wrong data! Examples, “We also have millions of fossils to show transitions and millions of animals to compare DNA.”
1) There are zero fossils to show transitions between “kinds” of animals. Dogs don’t turn into cats, and cats don’t turn into dogs etc.
2) Millions of animals to compare DNA? That is laughable its so wrong.